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Kassad · Oct 18, 2005, 11:04 PM // 23:04

Lol. Their both stupid, coming to flame each other on these forums, 1 using a glitch and the other using a griefer build. People stop picking one's side, because their both lame.

dansamy · Oct 18, 2005, 11:05 PM // 23:05

In almost every competition in organized sports, there are rules regarding cheating, manipulation and exploiting. Some of the penalties are quite severe. I don't know how anet feels about the integrity of their ladder. That decision is ultimately theirs.

Brock · Oct 18, 2005, 11:14 PM // 23:14

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Originally Posted by Kassad

Lol. Their both stupid, coming to flame each other on these forums, 1 using a glitch and the other using a griefer build. People stop picking one's side, because their both lame.

I agree, Neither side is right, Its not right that he was using that exploit but i'm just trying to let it be known that we did not know of this exploit ourselfs, And having his name as four energy regen doesn't mean that we knew either for all we know he took that name because one energy regen or two energy regen or even three was already taken, Thats like saying every pet with the name as guildlord must really be the guildlord.

And saying we should notice he didn't have boots on, During a battle are you looking at your skill bar, or your teammates boots the whole battle?

heist23 · Oct 18, 2005, 11:15 PM // 23:15

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Originally Posted by Thurston Killgore

yes you have an insane amoutn of energy to lay endless traps...imagine a warrior casting cyclone axe with ZF on that had 3-4 bars of energy, i am done with this thread...

good. now i don't have to shut down my brain every time i read one of your posts.

that 4 pip energy regen is cheating. it's kind of stupid that someone wouldn't notice that.

sitting around and waiting for the enemy to disconnect is also stupid.

either way, that match was stupid, when you look at it. now, will someone PLEASE close this thread?

Signet of Humility · Oct 18, 2005, 11:31 PM // 23:31

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Originally Posted by Makkert

What a waste of time...
tombs may have it's terrible sides, but thank god this isn't one of them...(or I haven't whitnessed it yet)

LoL

Leave The game
whoever uses that just has no capability to make a real build and nor has a lot of time

Dids · Oct 18, 2005, 11:38 PM // 23:38

As somebody who knows Dion and melvy personally and has talked to them about this, let me explain something (since they're doing a crummy job of explaining it themselves). I can't remember if my profile claims if I'm in TSF, but if it does, I haven't been for months.

They weren't waiting for people to drop. They simply took advantage of the fact that the Ranger team's build couldn't kill them while they were in their current location. So they waited them out. Not with the thought that they'd drop. (I clarified this because when Dion originally sent me this thread, I responded with "that sounds lame of you guys" and we talked about it)

Clearly it's unfortunate that GW doesn't have a resolution to these kinds of stalements, but given that they don't you can't blame another team for simply having the patience to employ and sound strategy and wait for the other team to make a bad decision. That's just gamesmenship- pure and simple.

That the other team was A- cheating B- acting like 12 year olds (and lol @ the suggestion that taking screenshots of a conversation and posting them takes any effort at all) and it seems like TSF's strategy worked.

Takeko Nakano · Oct 18, 2005, 11:44 PM // 23:44

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Originally Posted by Kassad

Lol. Their both stupid, coming to flame each other on these forums, 1 using a glitch and the other using a griefer build. People stop picking one's side, because their both lame.

Lol, yes it's getting completely out of hand!

Mighty Mystics + TSF =

Zida · Oct 19, 2005, 12:12 AM // 00:12

I just want to state that i love this grudge match of an argument. i have gotten numerous laughs out of it and i have a few points i want to make

1.I would not say that the guild with 1 ranger exploiting should be banned, there needs to be a softer punishment.
2. I Dont see how anyone could NOT side with TSF. but nonetheless both of these teams were the victims here. TSF sat in their base because anything less would have ended in their defeat. but on the other hand the other team could not sit in their base and lose their flag, it was all that was sustaining them.
*i wonder whats worse... camping in your base to anhilate another team? or maybe running away whenever you are about to lose...
3. i cannot stand how people keep saying TSF are evil because they sat there for 2 hours waiting for someone to drop. because if you would read back you would see that TSF said that people only dropped after they were being killed and were going to lose.
4. i agree with both teams, each strategy was valid, each build was powerful. just dont hate TSF because they won.

Kassad · Oct 19, 2005, 12:16 AM // 00:16

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Originally Posted by Zida

4. i agree with both teams, each strategy was valid, each build was powerful. just dont hate TSF because they won.

Each build was crap too, and TSF won alright, won by Default. Not Skill.

unienaule · Oct 19, 2005, 12:16 AM // 00:16

The problem with Zida's argument is that MM could have sat in their base too and had a staring match since TSF couldn't come out to destroy them either.

Anraeth · Oct 19, 2005, 12:21 AM // 00:21

Im still laughing at those who make fun of the build without really knowing it, honestly,I am.

Zida · Oct 19, 2005, 12:24 AM // 00:24

but TSF did win by skill, didnt they? they had more power, they had healing, and they used their surroundings (more ranger-like than the ranger build :P) and if MM were the ones camping, according to the facts, TSF would have won, the only reason TSF didnt win *faster* is becuase they couldnt stack MM's DP, because MM had the flag, so if the situation were reversed, technically TSF would have won

Anraeth · Oct 19, 2005, 12:27 AM // 00:27

Zida, we did win, they charged the gl, and then ran back. They started dropping from the game after we killed a few of them that were running.

Im done wit this thread though.

EDIT AGAIN, Zida,I know, but im just sick of the same people saying the same things.

Zida · Oct 19, 2005, 12:33 AM // 00:33

yes, im on your guilds side anraeth. I was simply countering someone elses comment. TSF did win, and they would have won faster if the situation were reversed as well.

unienaule · Oct 19, 2005, 12:36 AM // 00:36

I still have yet to hear a counter from the TSF people. If their build was so dang good, why did they sit there and wait for 2 hours...
...
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still waiting.
I'll repeat what I've said before. What if MM had just camped in THEIR base and waited for YOU? Your build couldn't have gone in and stomped them either.

Kassad · Oct 19, 2005, 12:40 AM // 00:40

It was a stalemate, and MM were smart enough to call it quits unlike TSF.

Zida · Oct 19, 2005, 12:42 AM // 00:42

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Originally Posted by unienaule

I still have yet to hear a counter from the TSF people. If their build was so dang good, why did they sit there and wait for 2 hours...
...
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still waiting.
I'll repeat what I've said before. What if MM had just camped in THEIR base and waited for YOU? Your build couldn't have gone in and stomped them either.

well, you didnt read my post, did you. if MM were the ones camping TSF could have used the flag stand for their morale, and then they could have "Stomped Them". the thing that made trouble for TSF was not being able to go out, take the flag stand, and end MM's Morale Regen. ( a valid strategy on MM's part.)

DUDE, Kassad man.... MM only called it quits when TSF decided to chase their few remaining players, and killed some of them, MM didnt call it quits because they were mature and had lives(not saying that they dont) they called it quits because they saw they lost and didnt have patience for a match they could not win!

Mystic Marz · Oct 19, 2005, 12:51 AM // 00:51

Our Necro received Err 7 after 2 hours and dropped, we made final attempt at a rush and since we coudn't take them down anymore we just fought it out moved out and resigned knowing that if we regrouped, even with 7 players they'd still sit at their base.

Mighty Mystics [MM] is REFORMING as Mighty Mystics Guild [MM] and starting from the beginning as so there is no question concerning our build or any members part of it.

Lucifer PVP · Oct 19, 2005, 12:51 AM // 00:51

I would like to see the restart

Priestess Truth · Oct 19, 2005, 01:00 AM // 01:00

I have read this post... heard from my guild over it and read the posts for both sides of the issue. This is my first post... as I find it pointless to do so for the most part. As many of the mudslinging and name calling is always going to be evident when there is a game in which children have access to playing.

But to the point... I was not present to the match, though I did gain an understanding of the matchup. Would I have waited 2 hours? Oh no way... I am a teacher and that would have made my life miserable to wake up for in the morning considering this matchup was late last night I believe.

Now... For my point in this GvG match... As if anyone wishes to hear or even cares or be simply dismissed as another rant. Basically, I see there was a cheat/exploit used. Granted, the name called it and the lack of boots was a deadgive away.

As for the match... making use of a terrain is completely a logical and smart way to win. Name me one battle in history in which the terrain was NOT used or attempted to be manipulated to aide in their victory. Point made on that I believe....

How to avoid arrow shots? Hide behind something... much like digging trenches and sandbags to protect oneself from getting a bullet to the body. The point of it being "stupid" seems to be a very foolish opinion that can hold no water or has any validity.

TSF made use of a strategy of waiting it out... much like battles in the eastern part of the world. Wait it out and in the desert, he who has no water loses. Wait it out until someone makes a mistake and capitalize upon it. Simple as that... 2 hours is ridiculous in my opinion and I am surprised anyone stayed that long for it. I could think of a bunch of other things I would rather do than sit around and wait... but thankfully I was not apart of the build last night as I would have been one to dropped long before then. LOL.

Bottom Line.... there was a cheat/exploit used... Did it completely alter the whole matchup? No, I do not think so.... but was it a definete bonus? Yes indeed... I believe it did aid them very much to spam and keep up with energy. Was it a bit lame to hide out? Yes it is... but then again.. it is a strategy and to wait to see who would make the first move which appears MM did by leaving. So be it.. many wars/battles have been won by this strategy and it is effective... if you got the time to sit back.

Oct 19, 2005, 12:12 AM // 00:12	#48
Zida Pre-Searing Cadet Join Date: Jun 2005	best argument ever I just want to state that i love this grudge match of an argument. i have gotten numerous laughs out of it and i have a few points i want to make 1.I would not say that the guild with 1 ranger exploiting should be banned, there needs to be a softer punishment. 2. I Dont see how anyone could NOT side with TSF. but nonetheless both of these teams were the victims here. TSF sat in their base because anything less would have ended in their defeat. but on the other hand the other team could not sit in their base and lose their flag, it was all that was sustaining them. *i wonder whats worse... camping in your base to anhilate another team? or maybe running away whenever you are about to lose... 3. i cannot stand how people keep saying TSF are evil because they sat there for 2 hours waiting for someone to drop. because if you would read back you would see that TSF said that people only dropped after they were being killed and were going to lose. 4. i agree with both teams, each strategy was valid, each build was powerful. just dont hate TSF because they won.

Oct 19, 2005, 12:24 AM // 00:24	#52
Zida Pre-Searing Cadet Join Date: Jun 2005	but TSF did win by skill, didnt they? they had more power, they had healing, and they used their surroundings (more ranger-like than the ranger build :P) and if MM were the ones camping, according to the facts, TSF would have won, the only reason TSF didnt win faster is becuase they couldnt stack MM's DP, because MM had the flag, so if the situation were reversed, technically TSF would have won Last edited by Zida; Oct 19, 2005 at 12:34 AM // 00:34..

Oct 19, 2005, 12:27 AM // 00:27	#53
Anraeth Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: May 2005 Location: SE america Guild: This Is Cakeguild [cAke]	Zida, we did win, they charged the gl, and then ran back. They started dropping from the game after we killed a few of them that were running. Im done wit this thread though. EDIT AGAIN, Zida,I know, but im just sick of the same people saying the same things. Last edited by Anraeth; Oct 19, 2005 at 12:47 AM // 00:47..

Oct 19, 2005, 12:51 AM // 00:51	#59
Lucifer PVP Krytan Explorer Join Date: Oct 2005 Guild: Refuge From Exile [RFE] Refuge-From-Exile.com Profession: W/Mo	I would like to see the restart Last edited by Lucifer PVP; Oct 19, 2005 at 01:00 AM // 01:00..

Oct 18, 2005, 11:04 PM // 23:04	#41
Kassad Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Jul 2005 Profession: W/	Lol. Their both stupid, coming to flame each other on these forums, 1 using a glitch and the other using a griefer build. People stop picking one's side, because their both lame.

Oct 18, 2005, 11:05 PM // 23:05	#42
dansamy Chasing Dragons Join Date: May 2005 Location: Lost in La-La Land Guild: LFGuild Profession: Mo/Me	In almost every competition in organized sports, there are rules regarding cheating, manipulation and exploiting. Some of the penalties are quite severe. I don't know how anet feels about the integrity of their ladder. That decision is ultimately theirs.

Oct 18, 2005, 11:38 PM // 23:38	#46
Dids Pre-Searing Cadet Join Date: Jun 2005 Guild: Dids Profession: W/R	As somebody who knows Dion and melvy personally and has talked to them about this, let me explain something (since they're doing a crummy job of explaining it themselves). I can't remember if my profile claims if I'm in TSF, but if it does, I haven't been for months. They weren't waiting for people to drop. They simply took advantage of the fact that the Ranger team's build couldn't kill them while they were in their current location. So they waited them out. Not with the thought that they'd drop. (I clarified this because when Dion originally sent me this thread, I responded with "that sounds lame of you guys" and we talked about it) Clearly it's unfortunate that GW doesn't have a resolution to these kinds of stalements, but given that they don't you can't blame another team for simply having the patience to employ and sound strategy and wait for the other team to make a bad decision. That's just gamesmenship- pure and simple. That the other team was A- cheating B- acting like 12 year olds (and lol @ the suggestion that taking screenshots of a conversation and posting them takes any effort at all) and it seems like TSF's strategy worked.

Oct 19, 2005, 12:16 AM // 00:16	#50
unienaule I dunt even get "Retired" Join Date: Aug 2005 Guild: Fifteen Over Fifty [Rare]	The problem with Zida's argument is that MM could have sat in their base too and had a staring match since TSF couldn't come out to destroy them either.

Oct 19, 2005, 12:21 AM // 00:21	#51
Anraeth Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: May 2005 Location: SE america Guild: This Is Cakeguild [cAke]	Im still laughing at those who make fun of the build without really knowing it, honestly,I am.

Oct 19, 2005, 12:33 AM // 00:33	#54
Zida Pre-Searing Cadet Join Date: Jun 2005	yes, im on your guilds side anraeth. I was simply countering someone elses comment. TSF did win, and they would have won faster if the situation were reversed as well.

Oct 19, 2005, 12:36 AM // 00:36	#55
unienaule I dunt even get "Retired" Join Date: Aug 2005 Guild: Fifteen Over Fifty [Rare]	I still have yet to hear a counter from the TSF people. If their build was so dang good, why did they sit there and wait for 2 hours... ... ... still waiting. I'll repeat what I've said before. What if MM had just camped in THEIR base and waited for YOU? Your build couldn't have gone in and stomped them either.

Oct 19, 2005, 12:40 AM // 00:40	#56
Kassad Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Jul 2005 Profession: W/	It was a stalemate, and MM were smart enough to call it quits unlike TSF.

Oct 19, 2005, 12:51 AM // 00:51	#58
Mystic Marz Pre-Searing Cadet Join Date: Jun 2005 Guild: Mighty Mystics Profession: W/Mo	Our Necro received Err 7 after 2 hours and dropped, we made final attempt at a rush and since we coudn't take them down anymore we just fought it out moved out and resigned knowing that if we regrouped, even with 7 players they'd still sit at their base. Mighty Mystics [MM] is REFORMING as Mighty Mystics Guild [MM] and starting from the beginning as so there is no question concerning our build or any members part of it.

Oct 19, 2005, 01:00 AM // 01:00	#60
Priestess Truth Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Guild Hall Guild: Refuge From Exile Profession: Mo/	I have read this post... heard from my guild over it and read the posts for both sides of the issue. This is my first post... as I find it pointless to do so for the most part. As many of the mudslinging and name calling is always going to be evident when there is a game in which children have access to playing. But to the point... I was not present to the match, though I did gain an understanding of the matchup. Would I have waited 2 hours? Oh no way... I am a teacher and that would have made my life miserable to wake up for in the morning considering this matchup was late last night I believe. Now... For my point in this GvG match... As if anyone wishes to hear or even cares or be simply dismissed as another rant. Basically, I see there was a cheat/exploit used. Granted, the name called it and the lack of boots was a deadgive away. As for the match... making use of a terrain is completely a logical and smart way to win. Name me one battle in history in which the terrain was NOT used or attempted to be manipulated to aide in their victory. Point made on that I believe.... How to avoid arrow shots? Hide behind something... much like digging trenches and sandbags to protect oneself from getting a bullet to the body. The point of it being "stupid" seems to be a very foolish opinion that can hold no water or has any validity. TSF made use of a strategy of waiting it out... much like battles in the eastern part of the world. Wait it out and in the desert, he who has no water loses. Wait it out until someone makes a mistake and capitalize upon it. Simple as that... 2 hours is ridiculous in my opinion and I am surprised anyone stayed that long for it. I could think of a bunch of other things I would rather do than sit around and wait... but thankfully I was not apart of the build last night as I would have been one to dropped long before then. LOL. Bottom Line.... there was a cheat/exploit used... Did it completely alter the whole matchup? No, I do not think so.... but was it a definete bonus? Yes indeed... I believe it did aid them very much to spam and keep up with energy. Was it a bit lame to hide out? Yes it is... but then again.. it is a strategy and to wait to see who would make the first move which appears MM did by leaving. So be it.. many wars/battles have been won by this strategy and it is effective... if you got the time to sit back.